Something occurred to me while driving tonight. See if you can follow my logic. Auto Rx clings, bonds, or adheres to the engine metal during the cleaning phase, and stays there until the rinse phase. In other words, if my assumption is correct, its on the metal until clean oil washes it off. When you do the maintenance plan there is no rinse phase, you add more Auto Rx each time you change the oil and I'm guessing that it bonds to the metal each time. Would the addition of 3oz at each OCI not lead to some type of Auto Rx build up? How is it removed from the engine metal? I'm sorry if I don't make sense, but I guess you can see where I'm going. I'm sure that Frank has the answer, I just can't figure it out.
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2001 Ford Ranger, 4.0 V6. Mobil 1 0w-30, Motorcraft FL 820s filter, 3oz Auto Rx
Auto-Rx does not bond to metal ,it cleans metal and at the rate of 3 ounces per oil change it uses up it's chemistry and needs to be replaced at next oil change. Auto-Rx holds contaminants in supension and drains with oil.
I think where you're getting confused is between synthetic oils and auto rx. Synthetic oil clings to the metal, potentially holding contaminants with it. Hence why Frank states the need to use mineral oil at least for the clean phase to ensure all contaminants auto rx has cleaned to be removed.
I think where you're getting confused is between synthetic oils and auto rx. Synthetic oil clings to the metal, potentially holding contaminants with it.There are many different types of syn oil. PAO has no particular affinity towards metal, nor does GrpIII, but esters do (polar). AutoRX is a mixture of 3 types of esters + who knows what. Frank has stated that getting the esters to clean is a big part of his patent, so I don't expect him to fully state what is going on, but the idea that high ester content oils hold dirt to metal but his ester based product removes dirt is a little perplexing.
I would also love it if Frank would expound on the "complex additive" package of grp IV/V oils that seem to be a problem.
The problem is, your average run of the mill Joe just wants to give his engine a clean out after 100,000+ miles.
Does Frank make it difficult and say, well yes use synthetic oil but make sure it doesnt use a high quantity of esters... and so and so forth and confuse the poor soul who just wants to give there engine a helping hand.
Or does he make it simple by covering his bases and just asking people to use a decent group 3 mineral oil during the rinse phase so auto rx can do its job properly.
I know its all well and good if you've studied all the oil specification under the sun and know quantitys of esters etc in various oils but most people dont want the hassle.
Does Frank make it difficult and say, well yes use synthetic oil but make sure it doesnt use a high quantity of esters... and so and so forth and confuse the poor soul who just wants to give there engine a helping hand. I'm all for simple instructions. What Frank has on this site is about as simple as you can get, and people still ask a bazillion questions. I don't get that part>>
Frank seems to be a nice guy (never met the man in person) that really wants to help people, and I use and recommend his product. But sometimes he tends to talk in riddles, hence my above post. Sometimes I at some of these and ask for a clarification, but I realize that a lot of what I am asking, he is not going to tell me.
And to pw01, I don't think ARX would build up on the engine anymore than Amsoil or Redline would "build up" on the metal. Esters are after all just a type of oil.
Fair post Tempest, I think you right in that people ask so many questions because of the simplicity of the instructions.
I think another reason for the number of questions is the fact auto rx is all online and we can actually speak to the guy who developed it himself. Imagine if you picked up the latest amsoil/lucas flush solution and wanted to clarify some questions, you would have to email the company and you could expect some form letter from some customer service monkey who's got no idea of how the product works.
As for Franks answers, as far as I can see due to the volume of the questions he gets he has a list of commonly answered questions that he can copy and paste a quick response to, hence why they sometimes look a bit odd. The great thing about this forum though is other people can chime in with their experience of the product etc. and add to the threads that way and at least your gaurenteed a personal response.
Also a cleaner that works this well I think people will be sceptical of, which is fair due to some of the solutions out there, so the fact that you can come online to ask about your concerns is always going to generate the volume of questions.
Please do me a favor. Check out the FAQ on auto-rx.com. Unless you fall into some truly unique circumstances, everything is covered there. Try and keep in mind that most questions asked have been answered, many times, and you can imagine the feeling of endless repetition from my end. It's not that I'm disinterested in providing support for the product, but it would be a tremendous help if people would exhaust that resource first. I also encourage you to join the Auto-Rx forum. Thanks in advance.
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at some of these and ask for a clarification, but I realize that a lot of what I am asking, he is not going to tell me.
